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  TTATT in a can

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  so... i have been working on an excel spreadsheet that has "ttatt in a can"... i have it both in spanish and in english.

  here's a preview:.

  category / year1879188018901891name?bible studentsbible students "time of the end" starts in the year?17991799 "parousia" (presence)?18741874 jesus enthroned?18781878 end of the harvest?19141914 earthly resurrection?

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  Thank you I loveTTATT and Splash, your researches are much more important than the flip-flopping doctrines they record.

  What they say is that any interpretation of the Bible contains nothing certain on which we can base beliefs.

  The whole of the NT was about getting a saviour cult established in a market already saturated in saviours. As an example of how it must have been: Did Christ have a beard or not (who cares!) well if you were talking up your new saviour cult two thousand years ago to a Roman, then your Jesus saviour would not have a beard since the then familiar Mithras was the young unshaven Good Shepherd, god-man saviour. The same with the recent past; in the fifties beards were still symbols of the great unwashed (Except for Van Amberg, GB member and treasurer who had a beard until his death in 1947ish). So the society looked for and found reasons not to depict JC with a hairy chin. When their reasoning looked thin, they changed to a hirsute Jesus.

  There is one summary point which strikes me reading these lists of official doctrinal drivel, it is this: how can a committee of men in New York sit down at a table and determine among themselves what will be eternal truths which they will publish and foist on their ignorant and submissive flock?... And you must believe it on penalty of excommunication! What a charade!
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  Geoffrey Jackson compares waiting for Armageddon to waiting for Brazil to score a goal against Argentina!

  by GodZoo in

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  wtf!https://vid.me/8tuy

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  Good point Leaks, They would identify with F.I.F.A. since both governing bodies clearly have no conscience, think they are on a gravy train to glory and have no one to veto or investigate their actions. Until now...
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  Ran into some JW's.......but this time I did the teaching ;) x

  by snare&racket in

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  so i went out today with my broken leg and got accosted by an old lady, with some magazines.. it was my first ever encounter with a jw in ten years, and i had said 'i know you are jw's, i'm not interested thank you.

  " twice.....then she started talking about my broken leg and how wonderful we are made and how amazing the healing process is.... and that's when it all started...."i used to be a bethelite pioneer, now i'm an atheist doctor...".

  she was with me a good 30 mins, her elder husband left very annoyed but she stayed, and she was dying to hear everything i spurted out, despite aggressively defending every point, from military engines to paedophilia.

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  A stonking piece of unwitnessing Snare! I had a couple round telling me they had been JWs for sixty years as if that meant something positive. Perhaps it is the only reward a witness can claim; pride in being one for such a long time, ‘cos there is no other tangible benefit apart from doing it with others of like mind.
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  what an interesting find for me

  by sowhatnow in

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  2. bible

  im sure to use this the next time i accidentally get sucked into an argument with someone.

  im not ever understanding the idea behind any christian religion picking and choosing what they want to believe and follow, then have the nerve to claim they are right, when clearly this is obviously done.

  here is a site that shows not only how bloodthirsty and evil the god of the hebrew bible was, but how more ridiculous it is for jws to follow one twisted 'commandment' about eating blood, not only reading it wrong, but then not to do all the other commandments, willingly , do they think they are ancient israelites ?

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  There is a reconciliation of these conflicting moral demands.

  It is to recognise that gods and demons and the book which tells of them are not reality but mere constructs of the fearful human imagination.
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  what an interesting find for me

  by sowhatnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  im sure to use this the next time i accidentally get sucked into an argument with someone.

  im not ever understanding the idea behind any christian religion picking and choosing what they want to believe and follow, then have the nerve to claim they are right, when clearly this is obviously done.

  here is a site that shows not only how bloodthirsty and evil the god of the hebrew bible was, but how more ridiculous it is for jws to follow one twisted 'commandment' about eating blood, not only reading it wrong, but then not to do all the other commandments, willingly , do they think they are ancient israelites ?

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  So the antidote to God's blood-lust is to resurrect his poor victims?

  Paradisebeauty, how can you imagine that people can come back to life? It happens does it?

  Since when can dead things live again? I know there are nasty things in this world but the secret is to try and improve our lot, not to believe in the implausible. How many out of 107 billion people who have ever lived, have come back to life...just Jesus and Elvis?

  If there was to be a general resurrection (preposterous!) where ON EARTH would they all go? (Fifteen for each one alive today). It’s a fantasy folks!

  Please try to think seriously, now we have left the loony Watchtower we have a chance to get our thinking straightened out as well... don’t fall back into magic realism.
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  The Ransom Sacrifice -- Simplified Suggestion

  by FusionTheism in

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  the sacrifice of jesus simplified suggestion.

  many christians have different theories about exactly how the ransom sacrifice (also called the atonement or the passion) of christ worked.. just how did jesus death on the cross 2,000 years ago provide us with salvation, forgiveness, and eternal life?.

  some christians believe that jesus somehow mystically experienced the full pain and suffering of eternal torment in hell (for every persons sin who has ever lived), during the 3 hours of darkness when he was hanging upon the cross.

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  Fusion and Messianic Christian, you are both trying to defend the indefensible. I for one do not need a ransom sacrifice to help me since I was not born “from Adam” since Adam did not and could not literally exist. Original sin never came my way, I am master of my own destiny and need not grovel to any invisible deity or saviour figure. No doubt you get pleasure from the pride you take in believing this salvation story and good for you but it comes from fairy-land, it is mythical, not from the real world. There are tests to see whether a story comes from fiction or fact and one of them is simply the meaning of the name. Adam for example means ‘man’, a mythical archetype, not a real person. What real monarch calls his son ‘Prince’?

  The Christian writings put in the mouth of the saviour character Jesus, words referencing Adam, i.e. Jesus believed in Adam. Yet we have abundant evidence that Homo sapiens evolved. Next to my computer I have stone tools made by ancient pre-human species. Outside of the African continent (where the genus Homo first emerged) most of us have of a small percentage Neanderthal genes indicating the complex genetic diffusion and ‘back crossing’ with other contemporary hominin species.If you are African with some non-african forebears you too will have Neanderthal blood. It can now be easily measured and it is entirely consistent with the predictability of the science of the evolution theorem. We came from apes not a mythical Adam. Jesus, had he known the science, would not have referenced Adam... he got it wrong. Pre scientific, pre-literate man needed the explanations myths gave. Except for the religious stragglers; we have moved on from this primitive belief system.
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  The Ransom Sacrifice -- Simplified Suggestion

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the sacrifice of jesus simplified suggestion.

  many christians have different theories about exactly how the ransom sacrifice (also called the atonement or the passion) of christ worked.. just how did jesus death on the cross 2,000 years ago provide us with salvation, forgiveness, and eternal life?.

  some christians believe that jesus somehow mystically experienced the full pain and suffering of eternal torment in hell (for every persons sin who has ever lived), during the 3 hours of darkness when he was hanging upon the cross.

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  Half banana

  Fusion, I don’t want to be brutal but I will be. Your reliance on the veracity of the Bible is a grave mistake. In real life, as opposed to the mystical one fabricated by the stew pot of religion, the Bible is an antique and outdated irrelevance. Humanity in the developed world has moved on...have you not noticed? We increasingly depend on the technologies which scientific determinations have made and which humanistic thought and practice such as found in democracy and putting human needs first; has resulted in happier lives and welfare for the many. In the UK at least and most of north Western Europe we live in a post-Christian environment where religious belief has been superseded by pragmatism. Religious hope remains for the otherwise hopeless who find it necessary to grasp an invisible straw to keep mentally afloat. Religion is the institutional belief that we can overcome death...we cannot. The ransom sacrifice is central to this false belief.

  Consider this: if evolution is factual and therefore man was not created but evolved; at what point in the evolving continuum of the genus Homo would a “ransom sacrifice” begin to work?

  It is impossible to make a logical round peg fit into a mythical square hole.
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  We Lost Our Preaching MOJO, how do we get it back? 

  by skepticSam in

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  does anyone have any theories why our territory that's be reduced six or seven times over the last twenty years is not covered anymore?

  we use to cover our area in less than six months and now nobody really keeps track of how the preaching work by territory is going.

  is the advent of the mobile-literature machine why we don't see a zealous preaching spirit?

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  And since so few Jdubs enjoyed going door to door...they thought lets stop doing it! This may be the first bit of democracy taking place in the Borg and it will not succeed. It is another symptom of the decline of the Watchtower.
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  Strange Moment During The 2015 Regional Convention

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi, i'm new here but hadn't seen this mentioned anywhere yet.

  during the "imitate jesus" rc there was a strange moment where they played a video of a brother trying to explain the 1914 teaching.

  the brother quickly goes through all the scriptural "proofs" and the householder is dumbfounded.

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  @Orhan Crow, very interesting information. It is not difficult to see how certain movements needed the affirmation of a perceived prophetic success to kick starting their new cult.
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  Strange Moment During The 2015 Regional Convention

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi, i'm new here but hadn't seen this mentioned anywhere yet.

  during the "imitate jesus" rc there was a strange moment where they played a video of a brother trying to explain the 1914 teaching.

  the brother quickly goes through all the scriptural "proofs" and the householder is dumbfounded.

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  Half banana

  I get the impression that 1914 has for many years been the touchstone doctrine to assess loyalty within the ranks. Significantly when looking for new members of the GB their fidelity is tested by adherence to the WT chronology, whether it makes sense or not. It is the belief in this idea which marks the faithful from the faithless. Now since 2014 any truth in the 1914 generation prophecy cannot even be defended. It simply remains a concocted Watchtower myth and a gross failure. In fact about eighty years of wasted propagandising. Just think of the millions of lives spent, distorted and ruined by the 1914 doctrine. It should stand for all time as the prime example of what happens if you believe in the JW org.

  For the Watchtower to leave 1914 behind is like the banks going off the gold standard. From now on the rules are different; there are no possible dates to circumscribe a limit. All that the cult can offer is “The great day of Jehovah is imminent”. Not a convincing line to throw when they have been at for one and a third centuries without any success to show for their efforts.

  Some dumb apologists no doubt are secretly believing that Armageddon will come by 2034 because it will be “one hundred and twenty years” of preaching. So Noah was a real man was he? And the flood was real was it? And he preached to the whole world and saved all the species of animals did he?... Pull the other leg!

  As with the elaborate and dubious calculations of obscure prophecy to arrive at 1914, naive belief in Bible literalism and holiness is at the heart of all JW problems.